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Last night I was reading someone's reaction to a Ten/Martha fic they had read which basically discounted Rose's existence and portrayed her as a needy and poor companion who gave up all too easily at the first sign of trouble... which, no. She's just not like that. Is she too attached to the Doctor? Probably, same as he is to her. But an inept companion? No. Rose Tyler never gives up and kicks ass.

I'm all for shipping, and I'm fine with people shipping whatever they want -- sure, I don't like Ten/Martha, but then I don't read it. Jack/Daniel? Not my cup of particular tea, so I avoid it. Unless something is really well written and recommended to me over and over, then I just stay clear. That said, why can't people write alternate ships without denigrating other characters?

I love Rose/Doctor, and Sam/Jack, and Kara/Sam... and Kara/anyone. And Sam C./anyone. Hmm. Okay, so generally I have a female character that I adore and like to see shipped with whomever floats my boat. Whatevs. But that said, if I read Kara/Sam fic, I don't want to see Lee portrayed as an idiotic asshole (hey, I'm not a fan of the guy but I still like him at times). One ship shouldn't put the other characters down. I remember seeing a Jack/Daniel fic where Sam Carter was cast as an evil genius whose hubris got many killed, and Jack had to pretend to be interested in her to keep watch over her... really? You expect me to buy that? Why in order to write your story do you have to assasinate other characters so wholeheartedly? Yeah, there's AU fic and non-canon fic, which is awesome and that's what fic is for, but if you're not using the characterizations portrayed onscreen (or in the book) then all you're doing is not writing fanfic so much as writing your own fic... which fine, but don't pass it off as fanfic. You can make the character sinister or write them having turned evil, but they should still be recognizable as the characters we all know and love. The reason we like them is because they (ostensibly) are nuanced and neither wholly good nor wholly bad, which makes it more fun to play with them. So yes, Buffy can get tired of fighting the good fight and become apathetic and stop (hi season 6), or Sam's desire to discover more leads her to making a big mistake (hello Red Sky), or Kara is... well, Kara. Hee. She's too complicated to sum up.

You can write Jack/Daniel quite well (I've read some) without ignoring Sam and Teal'c in the process, and the same with writing Ten/Martha while still accepting that Rose affected the Doctor's life. It isn't a competition of your choice of love interest being better than the other possibility. I don't know why it's so often portrayed that way.

Sigh. I need to stay away from bad fic more.

Date: 2009-06-27 06:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] surreallis.livejournal.com
Ugh, I know. As if the only way for two people to get together is if the other romantic possibilities are all EVIL. It can't just be because two people fall in love and LIKE each other more than anyone else? You can't just have Jack love Sam in a 'brothers in arms' sort of way, but love Daniel in a 'Titanic love theme' sort of way? You know, that's really selling the characters short. Not to mention that nearly every single 'Sam is a bitch' fic I've read also has a side-effect of portraying Jack in a really wussy, passive-aggressive light that is NOT flattering at all, but the writers don't quite seem to see that. When you change one character in the dynamic THAT much, you inevitably change the others. It's unavoidable.

It's like, you cannot write Pete as a controlling, abusive asshole without inherently changing Sam by default. How do you not see that, people??

Date: 2009-06-27 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com

It's like, you cannot write Pete as a controlling, abusive asshole without inherently changing Sam by default. How do you not see that, people??


YES! That's it, exactly. They're changing the characters that they supposedly love for the sake of bashing the ones they don't. Jack as a leader is shaped by his team and vice versa, so writing one of them out of whack makes them all off. That's like ignoring Sarah and Charlie for Jack as well.

It can't just be because two people fall in love and LIKE each other more than anyone else? Right. Why disparage other connections at the sake of the "one true love" ideal? I mean, presumably these writers have family and friends that they all love, even if they're with their supposed soulmate? You can love more than one person! In different ways!

You can't just have Jack love Sam in a 'brothers in arms' sort of way, but love Daniel in a 'Titanic love theme' sort of way?

Bwahaha... now I'm picturing Jack and Daniel hugging to Celine Dion, while Teal'c and Sam smirk in the corner and take pictures and mock.

Date: 2009-06-27 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frolicndetour.livejournal.com
You know, I get the impression that Doctor Who fandom loves to bash Rose so much simply because she fell in love with the Dr. and he returned her feelings. Martha is okay because Ten never returned her feelings, and Donna is okay because their relationship was always platonic on both ends. In other words, I don't think many people would be shipping Ten/Martha if it had been at all requited in canon. Because then Martha would be a threat to... something, just like Rose is. Old-school fans seem to have this very rigid idea that the Doctor is either asexual or he has a new girl every week, but he can't really fall in love. Plus, there's the whole thing where his canon love interest can never be good enough for him, especially not when she's lower class and too young and blah, blah, blah. Meh. Haters can suck it. :P

But yes, I absolutely hate character bashing in fanfic. You're not writing the character, you're writing your a one-dimensional caricature. And no one who likes the character is going to like your fic. You'd think people's inner comment whores would keep them honest if their desire to be good writers didn't.

Date: 2009-06-27 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pataka02.livejournal.com
You know, I get the impression that Doctor Who fandom loves to bash Rose so much simply because she fell in love with the Dr. and he returned her feelings.

I can see that... but it's so sad. And also? Is it weird that I don't really like the idea of someone who can't fall in love? I mean, I know the Doctor as a concept is supposedly "better" than that or bigger than that, whatever, but I want him to be relatable in some way (since the companions are constantly replaced), and him having feelings for Rose makes me like him. Otherwise, he comes across as far too godlike and I already want to kick him in the shin when he acts all patronizing. Ignoring how Rose changed the Doctor, though, so that you can write either Ten/Martha or Ten/Donna or Ten/whoever, sacrifices the characterization of the Doctor.

But yes, I absolutely hate character bashing in fanfic. You're not writing the character, you're writing your a one-dimensional caricature. And no one who likes the character is going to like your fic.

Exactly! But like why read a Kara/Lee fic where Sam is presented as a jealous and stupid jock? That's so not true. It takes me out of the story completely and just irritates me. Because Kara DID love Sam, and she loved Lee, but both in different frakked up ways... and there were good and bad qualities about each guy. Same with how Kara is not the most perfect person, no matter how much I think she is ;) One bad characterization makes all bad characterizations.

Date: 2009-06-30 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annienau08.livejournal.com
Oh, man. Shipping wars are just the worst. It's the thing I dislike the most about fandom - that idea that you can't love your ship without bashing the hell out of everyone else's. Blech.

Okay, so generally I have a female character that I adore and like to see shipped with whomever floats my boat.

That's definitely me, too. I tend to be drawn more to female characters, and as much as I like OTPs in theory, I mostly just want the character to be with whoever will make her the happiest.

Date: 2009-07-18 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anyareed.livejournal.com
I agree with you about the shipping. I'm open to reading all different kinds of pairings - if they are written well. I've read way too many stories where the "enemy" behaves in an idiotic fashion to the point where they are a completely different character. The person becaomes almost abusive or stalkerish, or sometimes just plain retartded. I like your comment about how it isn't a competition - people can get way to into things like that.

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